Rexton Reach vs. Signia Pure Charge&Go IX

Check out our comparison of the Rexton Reach vs Signia Pure Charge&Go IX. Listen to audio samples and see how the two hearing aids differ in terms of sound performance, features, accessories, and more.

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4.6
Rexton Reach R-LI T 80
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Quick Verdict

AI summarized

Summarized with AI assistance from our human-researched product information, in-lab testing, objective sound measurements, and expert ratings.

The real question is whether Signia's slightly better noise performance and broader provider access are worth roughly $1,700 more than the Costco-only Rexton Reach, which posts nearly identical lab scores at a much stronger value rating.

Reach

Choose the Rexton Reach if you want a Costco-fitted flagship-level RIC with top lab scores (4.6/5 HT score, SoundGrade A) and a roughly $1,700 lower price than the Signia, especially if your hearing loss is straightforward.

Pure Charge&Go IX

Choose the Signia Pure Charge&Go IX if you want a slightly better speech-in-noise score (2.6/5 vs 2.4/5) and prefer the option of virtual, app-based follow-up visits with your provider, and the price gap doesn't concern you.

What actually separates them

AI summarized
  1. Price

    Price

    Reach runs about $1,700 cheaper per pair than the Pure Charge&Go IX, and its 4.3/5 value score (vs Signia's 3.6/5, right at the site-wide average of 3.6) reflects lab performance that's very close to a device costing far more.

  2. Speech in noise

    Lab measured

    Both score above the site's average, but Signia edges Reach 2.6/5 to 2.4/5 in HearAdvisor's tuned-fit lab testing — a real but modest gap, and neither result is strong in absolute terms.

  3. Purchase and care model

    Spec

    Reach is sold only at Costco, which bundles fitting and follow-up into that visit; the Signia is available more broadly through independent audiologists and hearing aid specialists and adds app-based virtual follow-up visits as an option alongside in-person care.

  4. Value rating

    Expert rating

    Reach's 4.3/5 value score sits well above the Signia's 3.6/5, reflecting how much lab performance you get for the money rather than a difference in raw sound quality — the two post nearly identical speech-in-quiet (4.1/5 each) and music streaming (2.7/5 each) scores.

Product Overview

Reach
Pure Charge&Go IX
Form Factor
Form FactorThis type of hearing aid sits behind the ear. A wire runs along the top of the ear and down to a speaker sitting inside the ear canal. An custom-fitted mold may be required.
Form FactorThis type of hearing aid sits behind the ear. A wire runs along the top of the ear and down to a speaker sitting inside the ear canal. An custom-fitted mold may be required.
Expert Rating
Score
4.6
Score
4.5
User Rating
3.34 reviews
4.37 reviews
Hearing Loss LevelHearing Loss LevelThis represents HearingTracker's best guess on suitability. Please consult a licensed audiologist to confirm your own candidacy for this device.
MildModerateSevere
MildModerateSevere
Product Features
Hands-freeRechargeableAndroidTelecoilIP68
Hands-freeRechargeableiPhoneAndroidTelecoilIP68

Expert Ratings

Compare comprehensive test results and expert opinions.

Reach
Pure Charge&Go IX

HearingTracker Score

Reach
4.6EXCELLENT

Given its premium features, outstanding battery life, and strong Bluetooth connectivity, it delivers excellent value for the money.

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Pure Charge&Go IX
4.5EXCELLENT

I was very impressed with the Signia Pure Charge&Go IX's overall design, sound performance, and app capabilities. These cutting-edge hearing aids offer advanced features such as hands-free calling, iOS and Android streaming, and a robust 39-hour battery life.

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HearAdvisor SoundScore

Reach
4.5EXCELLENT

Rexton Reach R-Li T80 at Costco achieved a SoundScore of 4.54/5 and a SoundGrade of A in HearAdvisor lab testing. It ranked #6 of 35 Prescription Hearing Aid devices tested. The Prescription Hearing Aid category average SoundScore was 3.91/5.

Pure Charge&Go IX
4.5EXCELLENT

Signia Pure C&G BCT IX achieved a SoundScore of 4.49/5 and a SoundGrade of A in HearAdvisor lab testing. It ranked #8 of 35 Prescription Hearing Aid devices tested. The Prescription Hearing Aid category average SoundScore was 3.91/5.

Build Quality

Reach
4.9EXCELLENT

Rexton Reach T80 have an impressive build quality, featuring a top-of-the-line IP68 ingress rating. They also come with a robust portable charging case.

Pure Charge&Go IX
5.0EXCELLENT

Pure C&G BCT IX have an impressive build quality, featuring a top-of-the-line IP68 ingress rating. They also come with a robust portable charging case.

Battery

Reach
4.4ABOVE AVERAGE

Reach offer an impressive 39 hours of use per charge, which is plenty to get you through the day. Recharging takes 3 to 4 hours, which is longer than some other models, but this isn't a significant drawback given their exceptional battery life.

Pure Charge&Go IX
4.5EXCELLENT

Pure C&G BCT IX hearing aids offer around 39 hours of use per charge, which is plenty to get you through the day. Recharging takes 3 to 4 hours, which is longer than some other models, but this isn't a significant drawback given their exceptional battery life.

Bluetooth

Reach
5.0EXCELLENT

Rexton Reach are Bluetooth compatible with both iOS and Android devices, allowing for audio streaming and hands-free calling.

Pure Charge&Go IX
5.0EXCELLENT

Pure BCT IX are Bluetooth compatible with both iOS and Android devices, allowing for audio streaming and hands-free calling.

App Features

Reach
5.0EXCELLENT

The Rexton app stands out with its user-friendly interface and modern, appealing design. It includes practical features like the ability to control the focus of your hearing aids and a mask mode to enhance speech clarity.

Pure Charge&Go IX
5.0EXCELLENT

Signia's app stands out with its user-friendly interface and modern, appealing design. It includes practical features like the ability to control the focus of your hearing aids and a mask mode to enhance speech clarity. Additionally, the app offers wellness features, utilizing hearing aid motion sensors for activity tracking.

Comfort

Reach
5.0EXCELLENT

I found Rexton Reach R-Li T80 to be very comfortable thanks to their ergonomic shape and earwire design. Your hearing care provider should ensure they are fitted for optimal comfort and hearing benefit.

Pure Charge&Go IX
5.0EXCELLENT

I found Pure BCT IX to be very comfortable thanks to their ergonomic shape and earwire design. Your hearing care provider should ensure they are fitted for optimal comfort and hearing benefit.

Design

Reach
4.8EXCELLENT

Rexton Reach features a modern, sleek design and are available in a variety of colors, from discreet to bold.

Pure Charge&Go IX
4.8EXCELLENT

Pure BCT IX features a modern, sleek design and is available in a variety of colors, from discreet to bold.

Value

Reach
4.3ABOVE AVERAGE

Rexton Reach R-Li T80 at Costco has a value score of 4.3/5 based on lab performance and public display price.

Pure Charge&Go IX
3.6AVERAGE

Signia Pure C&G BCT IX has a value score of 3.6/5 based on lab performance and public display price.

Handling

Reach
4.5EXCELLENT

I did not run into any issues while using these hearing aids. They are very easy to use once set up by your hearing care provider. First-time users may need some practice to get accustomed to inserting the receiver-in-ear style properly.

Pure Charge&Go IX
4.6EXCELLENT

I did not run into any issues while using Pure BCT IX hearing aids. They are very easy to use once setup by your hearing care provider. First-time users may need some practice to get accustomed to inserting the receiver-in-ear style properly.

Pro Support

Reach
5.0EXCELLENT

You should receive quality hearing care and support from your provider. The Rexton App should also enhance your experience.

Pure Charge&Go IX
5.0EXCELLENT

You should receive quality hearing care and support from your provider. The Signia App should enhance your experience with AI assistance and user-friendly virtual appointments, given your provider offers telehealth services.

Lab Recordings

Listen to direct output recordings from our acoustic test lab.

Reach
Pure Charge&Go IX
Busy CafeBusy CafeSpeech intelligibility improvement in loud environments
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Reach
Pure Charge&Go IX
Quiet OfficeQuiet OfficeSpeech intelligibility improvement in quiet and moderate environments
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Reach
Pure Charge&Go IX
Streaming MusicStreaming MusicStreaming music provides a full range of bass and treble
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Reach
Pure Charge&Go IX

HearingTracker partners with HearAdvisor to provide recordings and performance data from an acoustic laboratory that follows standard scientific procedures. All hearing aids are fitted and performance-tested for mild sloping to moderate hearing loss. All audio samples cutoff above 10kHz.

Accessories

Compatible accessories for each hearing aid

Reach
Pure Charge&Go IX
Battery Charger

Travel Charger+1

This is a compact, portable charger designed for Rexton Reach R-Li T, Bicore C R-Li, and C R-Li T hearing aids. It fits in your pocket and holds enough power for three full charges, so you don’t need to find an outlet while you're out. It fully charges the hearing aids in four hours, but if you're in a hurry, a 30-minute charge gives you five hours of use. It also makes inserting and removing the hearing aids easy and automatically turns them on and off when placed in or taken out of the charger. It uses a USB-C power adapter.

Charging+ Station+1

This charger is designed for Rexton Reach R-Li T, Bicore C R-Li, and C R-Li T hearing aids, offering more than just power. While it fully charges the hearing aids in four hours (or gives five hours of use with a 30-minute charge), it also includes a built-in drying cycle and UV sanitization to keep them clean and moisture-free. It makes inserting and removing the hearing aids easy and automatically turns them on and off when placed in or taken out.

Pure Charger

This small desktop charger addresses basic needs when it comes to providing power to the hearing aids. 2 LEDs indicate the charging status (one per hearing aid). The Pure Charger can be plugged into the mains via USB to a power adapter.

Pure Portable Charger+1

This charger offers comfort and charging on the go. Its power bank allows for 3 full charges of a pair of hearing aids. A lid protects the hearing aids and prevents dust accumulating in the charger. 2 LEDs indicate the charging status (one per hearing aid) and one for the integrated power bank. All of the chargers are available with the power plug.

Pure Dry&Clean Charger+1

The Pure Dry&Clean Charger not only charges the hearing aids but also offers UVC cleaning and drying technology to keep the hearing aids in peak condition. The UVC cleaning starts automatically when the hearing aids are placed inside and is completed in just 15 minutes. 3 LEDs per hearing aid indicate their charging status and an additional LED indicates the cleaning status. The Pure Dry&Clean Charger also has a lid to ensure optimal cleaning and storage of the hearing aids.

Multi-Charger

Stationary Signia charger compatible with multiple hearing aids.

Bluetooth Streamer
None

StreamLine Mic+2

A wireless clip-on mic that streams audio to hearing aids from any Bluetooth device.

CROS System
None

CROS Pure Charge&Go T AX

Remote Control
None

miniPocket

Enables push-button remote control of hearing aid functions.

Signia App+2

The Signia App provides a remote control, directional hearing control, telecare access, and access to connectivity and streaming settings.

Smartphone App

App

The Rexton app is basically a remote control for your hearing aids that runs on your phone. It lets you tweak volume, change listening settings, and even fine-tune sound balance. You can also get real-time help from either your audiologist or an AI assistant called Rexton Assist. If your hearing aids support it, you can adjust directional hearing to focus on specific sounds, stream audio from accessories like a TV transmitter, and even get remote adjustments via TeleCare. The app works with both iPhone and Android, and setup involves a simple Bluetooth pairing process.

None
Smartphone Streamer + Hands FreeSmartphone Streamer + Hands FreeStreams audio from calls to hearing aids, but also picks up your voice and sends your voice to the caller.

Smart Mic

This compact remote microphone is compatible with Rexton Reach, Bicore, Rugged, and M-Core Li hearing aids, offering hands-free phone calls and live conversation streaming directly to your hearing aids. It doubles as a remote control for adjusting settings and can function as a conference microphone for clearer group discussions. It also streams audio from Bluetooth-enabled devices, allowing you to listen to music in stereo quality.

None
TV Streamer

Smart Transmitter 2.4+1

This TV and stereo streaming device works with Rexton Reach, Bicore, Rugged, and M-Core Li hearing aids, sending audio directly to your hearing aids without needing extra accessories. It lets you listen at your preferred volume while others adjust the TV to their own liking. Pairing is simple, no separate remote is required, and multiple Rexton hearing aid users can connect at the same time.

StreamLine TV

Streams television sound to hearing aids over a distance of up to 30 feet (10 meters).

TV Sound+1

The Signia TV Sound is a high-quality stereo audio streaming device designed to deliver clear TV audio directly to Bluetooth-enabled Signia hearing aids. It connects to a TV via an analog or optical cable and requires a USB power source. Pairing is simple—users turn on the device, restart their hearing aids, and place them within 20 cm to establish a connection. Once paired, audio streaming can be controlled via the Signia app, allowing users to start, pause, and adjust the volume effortlessly. This device enhances the TV listening experience for Signia hearing aid users by providing direct, latency-free sound transmission.

Hardware

Reach
Pure Charge&Go IX
Bluetooth® AudioBluetooth® AudioThis hearing aid is capable of streaming Bluetooth® audio certain phones and/or devices.
  • Made for iPhone (MFi)
  • Android (ASHA)
  • Bluetooth® Low Energy (LE)
  • Made for iPhone (MFi)
  • Android (ASHA)
GyroscopeGyroscopeThis hearing aid is able to determine orientation using embedded sensors.
Yes
No
Hands-Free CallingHands-Free CallingIt is possible to have a hands-free phone call with this hearing aid. You are not required to hold the phone up to your mouth.
  • Made for iPhone (MFi)
  • Bluetooth® Low Energy (LE)
  • Made for iPhone (MFi)
  • Android (ASHA)
IP RatingIP RatingIP Ratings rate sealing effectiveness of hearing aids against intrusion from foreign solid matter (dirt, dust) and moisture.
IP68
IP68
Rechargeable BatteriesRechargeable BatteriesCharge your batteries overnight in a docking station and get a full day's use (in most cases) of battery life the following day.
Lithium-ion
Lithium-ion
Tap ControlsTap ControlsThe hearing aid may be controlled by physically tapping it with your fingers.
No
  • Change program
  • Accept/end calls
TelecoilTelecoilThe hearing aid is able to pick up audio from landline telephones or public audio systems without using its acoustic microphones. This minimizes background noise and improves clarity and understanding, even over great distances. At performing arts venues, events, government meetings, etc., look for assistive listening systems (hearing loop, FM, and infrared systems), which must be provided at no cost under the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) and other international regulations.
Yes
Yes
Volume RockerVolume RockerA volume rocker or wheel to allows the adjustment of volume with a finger.
Yes
Yes

Software Features

Reach
Pure Charge&Go IX
Adjustment BandsAdjustment BandsThese are frequency-divided sections that can be adjusted in a hearing aid in order to amplify sounds. Although there are rarely more than 10 frequencies measured in a hearing assessment, having more bands that can be adjusted may allow for improved speech understanding and user comfort.
20
20
Adjustment SynchronizationAdjustment SynchronizationThis feature allows for a more pleasant listening experience by ensuring that both hearing aids process sound the same way. If one hearing aid changes its processing in response to noise or speech, it will send a wireless signal to the other hearing aid so both process sound in the same way.
No
e2e wireless 4.0e2e wireless 4.0Control coupling, synchronization, binaural directionality, Spatial Speech Focus, CROS/ BiCROS.
Direction SelectionDirection SelectionAllows the user to select one or more directions to focus their hearing aids on. For example, some hearing aids allow the listener to focus on sounds coming from in front or back, or from the right or left.
No
  • 5/5
DirectionalityDirectionalityDepending on the types and number of microphones a hearing aid has, the hearing aid may be able to boost sounds from specific directions (by reducing sounds from other directions). This can be helpful to focus on a speaker directly in front of the hearing aid user, as well as to give the user information about where different sounds are coming from.
Advanced DirectionalityAdvanced DirectionalityAccording to documentation, Reach also offers iOmni Sound Locator, iFocus 360, and Auto Stereo iLock (narrow). Our editors could not find more information on these features.Automatic AdaptiveAutomatic AdaptiveDepending on the types and number of microphones a hearing aid has, the hearing aid may be able to boost sounds from specific directions (by reducing sounds from other directions). This can be helpful to focus on a speaker directly in front of the hearing aid user, as well as to give the user information about where different sounds are coming from.Multi-Voice FocusMulti-Voice FocusMulti-Voice Focus scans the surrounding environment 1000 times a second with four independent focus beams. This enables it to constantly adapt to the changing dynamics of the conversation and make the experience fluid and comfortable. It will boost the prominence of those in the group who are speaking while keeping track of those who are silent, and all without switching between modes, and with no delays.Speech Preservation TechnologySpeech Preservation TechnologyUses directional analysis to separate speech from noise, allowing independent processing of both signals before they are mixed together.
Binaural DirectionalityBinaural DirectionalityDirectionality provides scientifically proven enhanced speech understanding in noise. Available for bilateral fittings with directional microphones and e2e wireless link.Spatial SpeechFocusSpatial SpeechFocusAvailable for bilateral fittings with Ultra HD e2e.
Ear SimulationEar SimulationThe outer ear, or pinna, can have a significant effect on the frequency shape of sound arriving at your inner ear. Some hearing aids mimic the "pinna effect" when producing sound, to deliver more natural sound to the listener.
No
TruEar 360TruEar 360Reproduces benefits of the natural pinna effect by highlighting the difference between front and back sources of sound.
Echo ReductionEcho ReductionThis feature improves speech audibility by reducing the “blurring” of speech sounds that can occur in the presence of echoes.
Yes
Auto EchoShieldAuto EchoShieldAutomatically creates a more comfortable hearing experience in high-reverb environments leading to increased speech clarity and natural room perceptions.
Environmental AdaptationEnvironmental AdaptationThe hearing aid can detect different acoustical environments, like speech in noise, and adjust the sound of the hearing aid accordingly to drive comfort or speech understanding, etc.
SoundPro 3.0SoundPro 3.0SoundPro 3.0 automatically steers all sound processing features, including the new Multi-Voice Focus inputs, based on the analysis of the acoustic scene.
Conversation Dynamics AnalyzerConversation Dynamics AnalyzerPrecisely analyzing conversation dynamics 1,000 times per second including turntaking and timing, locations of pure noise without speech, and levels of background noise.Conversation Source AnalyzerConversation Source AnalyzerConstantly scouts the acoustic environment to identify number of talkers and their location, precisely analyzing 1,000 times per second.RealTime Conversation EnhancementRealTime Conversation EnhancementProvides uninterrupted engagement in noisy group conversations by seamlessly tracking the locations of all conversation partners and enhancing their speech.
Extended bandwidthExtended bandwidthHearing aid provides amplification at frequencies (pitches) higher than the typical hearing aid.
Yes
12kHz
Extended Dynamic RangeExtended Dynamic RangeExtended dynamic range typically makes louder sound clearer. This may help with the reproduction of loud music or loud speech in a very noisy environment.
No
Yes
Feedback SuppressionFeedback SuppressionIf any sound amplified by the hearing aid escapes the ear canal, it may reach the hearing aid’s own microphone and cause a harsh whistling noise. Some hearing aids are able to recognize when this feedback occurs and reduce or eliminate it.
Yes
Feedback cancellationFeedback cancellationHigh-speed monitoring and control of feedback risk in individual processing channels.
Listening ProgramsListening ProgramsNumber of manually accessible listening programs (using push button, remote, app, or other switching method)
6
6
New User AdaptationNew User AdaptationProvider may set the hearing aid to gradually get louder over the first few weeks or months of a new hearing aid fitting. This can be convenient for new users who want to experience maximum benefit without making a lot of trips to the provider for tune ups.
Smart Automatic AcclimatizationSmart Automatic AcclimatizationProvider may set the hearing aid to gradually get louder over the first few weeks or months of a new hearing aid fitting. This can be convenient for new users who want to experience maximum benefit without making a lot of trips to the provider for tune ups.
No
Noise ReductionNoise ReductionThis feature uses modern hearing aids’ processing power to examine the incoming sound signal, determine if noise is present and reduce the volume of the troublesome sound to increase comfort.
Yes
SoundSmoothing™: 3SoundSmoothing™Reduces the sound of clattering cutlery and rustling newspaper, etc.
Own Voice ComfortOwn Voice ComfortAmplification is applied differently to your own voice versus the other voices around you. This allows adequate amplification of people you want to hear and no over-amplification of your own voice.
My Voice 2.0My Voice 2.0My Voice 2.0 is a hearing aid feature that identifies when the wearer is speaking by analyzing how sound reaches the hearing aids' microphones based on head shape and microphone placement. When the wearer speaks, the hearing aids adjust their processing specifically for the user's voice, making it sound more natural and less amplified.
OVP™ 2.0OVP™ 2.0Processes the wearer's own voice independent from ambient sounds, providing improved speech clarity and a natural perception of their own voice as well as background noise.
Processing ChannelsProcessing ChannelsThese are all the frequency-divided sections the hearing aid is able to examine at a single time. The hearing aid uses this information to determine whether the contents of each section are noise, speech, or something else and amplify the sound in each section accordingly.
48
48
Tinnitus ReliefTinnitus ReliefTinnitus, or ringing in the ears, can be addressed by hearing aids in several different ways, such as introducing a soft therapeutic signal or targeted notched noise.
Sound therapy and notchSound therapy and notchTinnitus, or ringing in the ears, can be addressed by hearing aids in several different ways, such as introducing a soft therapeutic signal or targeted notched noise.
Yes
Unique Amplification StrategyUnique Amplification StrategyHearing aids all process sounds a little bit differently. Sometimes it varies even within one model.
Motion SensorMotion SensorDetects your movements in real-time and, using Rexton’s High Resolution Soundpro technology, automatically adapts its sound settings to your hearing situation.Voice StabilizerVoice StabilizerVoice Stabilizer controls the compression to secure that all voices within the focus beam are amplified in the best linear ways when the sound goes too loud. It keeps the signal-to-noise ratio positive to help users focusing on the signal with most contrast. Benefit: voices remain untouched while surrounding noise is managed.
Speech & Noise Management: 5/5
Wind Noise ReductionWind Noise ReductionAs wind blows against the microphones of hearing aids, unpleasant noise may be generated. Some hearing aids have the ability to recognize this wind noise and reduce its level. Such reductions may also affect the audibility of desired sounds, like speech.
Yes
eWindScreen binauraleWindScreen binauralBinaural processing of the audio signal (using Ultra HD e2e) delivers superb performance in asymmetrical wind environments.

Bottom Line

AI summarized

The Verdict

Rexton Reach is the pragmatic pick: it's priced roughly $1,700 lower than the Signia, carries a 4.3/5 value score against the Signia's 3.6/5, and its lab results (4.1/5 speech in quiet, 2.4/5 speech in noise) are close enough to the pricier device that most buyers won't notice the difference in daily use.

Which is right for you?

The Signia Pure Charge&Go IX earns its price with a modest edge in noise performance (2.6/5 vs 2.4/5) and the flexibility of app-based virtual follow-ups alongside in-person care, plus purchase access beyond a single retailer. It's the better fit if you've already decided cost isn't the deciding factor and want the broadest choice of where to get fitted.

What to ask at your fitting

AI summarized
  1. Ask about real-ear measurement

    Both devices' tuned lab scores only improved about 0.1 point over initial-fit settings, so confirm your provider runs REM verification to get that same result on your ears.

  2. Compare noise performance in person

    The 2.4 vs 2.6 speech-in-noise gap is small enough that a side-by-side demo in a noisy room matters more than the number itself.

  3. Weigh the $1,700 gap against your budget

    Reach's value score (4.3/5) is well above Signia's (3.6/5), so ask your provider directly what the extra cost of the Pure Charge&Go IX buys you for your specific hearing loss.

Frequently Asked Questions

AI summarized

Based on lab testing, not by much on raw sound quality — both score 4.1/5 for speech in quiet and 2.7/5 for music streaming, with Signia only slightly ahead in noise (2.6/5 vs 2.4/5). Reach's 4.3/5 value score reflects that it delivers most of the same performance for less money.

Signia scores 2.6/5 in HearAdvisor's tuned-fit noise testing versus Reach's 2.4/5, a modest edge. Neither score is strong in absolute terms, so if noise performance is your top priority, demo both in a real noisy environment before deciding.

No — Reach is exclusive to Costco, which bundles the fitting and follow-up care into your purchase there. The Signia Pure Charge&Go IX is available through independent audiologists and hearing aid specialists instead.

Yes, both support Android streaming and MFi-based hands-free calling, so phone compatibility isn't a differentiator between them.